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From: r...@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey)
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Subject: Which is better Diamond Stealth 24 ISA or Orchid 1280+ ISA
Date: 17 Mar 1994 15:20:11 GMT
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As the title implies, I would like to know which is the better/faster
card.  I also want to know which works the best w/ IBM's Drivers.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, Don't begin a bash on diamond thread.  I am a student
who doesn't have much cash, I don't care about making political statements
with my purchases.  I just want the best thing for the money.  When I
graduate and have alot more money I will change my purchasing habits (I'll
buy a #9 :)).

Thanks,
BoB
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From: jmayn...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard)
Subject: Re: Which is better Diamond Stealth 24 ISA or Orchid 1280+ ISA
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In article <2m9sfc$...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
Robert R. Novitskey <r...@po.CWRU.Edu> wrote:
>As the title implies, I would like to know which is the better/faster
>card.  I also want to know which works the best w/ IBM's Drivers.

There really isn't much difference between the two. I know you don't want to 
hear any Diamond bashing, but there's not enough difference to justify doing 
business with a sleazeball company that lies to its customers and doesn't 
support free software over a reputable company. Buy the Orchid.
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Subject: Which is better Diamond Stealth 24 ISA or Orchid 1280+ ISA
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r...@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) writes:

> As the title implies, I would like to know which is the
> better/faster card.  I also want to know which works the best w/
> IBM's Drivers.
> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, Don't begin a bash on diamond thread.  I am a
> student who doesn't have much cash, I don't care about making
> political statements with my purchases.  I just want the best thing
> for the money.  When I graduate and have alot more money I will
> change my purchasing habits (I'll buy a #9 :)).

They are both very good products.  I personally give the Stealth 24
the edge because it stores all modem settings in EEPROM.

Another alternative you may want to consider is the Actix
GraphicsENGINE 32, also very good.

Best regards,
John

p.s.  In any event, simply ignore the Diamond bashing from a very few
unrealistic customers that unfortunately choose to vent their
frustrations in public.

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Subject: Re: Which is better Diamond Stealth 24 ISA or Orchid 1280+ ISA
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jmayn...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:

JN> p.s.  In any event, simply ignore the Diamond bashing from a very
JN> few unrealistic customers that unfortunately choose to vent their
JN> frustrations in public.

> I guess it's unrealistic to expect companies not to lie to their
> customers, then.

Until you come up with anything in the way of objective evidence of an
actual "lie," how about giving the personal vendetta a rest?

Best regards,
John

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From: jmayn...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard)
Subject: Re: Which is better Diamond Stealth 24 ISA or Orchid 1280+ ISA
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In article <63420.15.uu...@uttsbbs.ness.com>,
John Navas <john.na...@uttsbbs.ness.com> wrote:
>p.s.  In any event, simply ignore the Diamond bashing from a very few
>unrealistic customers that unfortunately choose to vent their
>frustrations in public.

I guess it's unrealistic to expect companies not to lie to their customers, 
then.
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From: jmayn...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard)
Subject: Re: Which is better Diamond Stealth 24 ISA or Orchid 1280+ ISA
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In article <63497.15.uu...@uttsbbs.ness.com>,
John Navas <john.na...@uttsbbs.ness.com> wrote:
>jmayn...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>> I guess it's unrealistic to expect companies not to lie to their
>> customers, then.
>Until you come up with anything in the way of objective evidence of an
>actual "lie," how about giving the personal vendetta a rest?

You're calling the folks who have posted their experiences with being lied to 
by Diamond liars themselves.

As I told you in email, they have no reason to lie about what they've been 
told. The standard of evidence you demand is impossible to meet. I trust them 
more than I trust Diamond, or those who defend sleazy business practices.

To the original poster: Think carefully about the company you're proposing to 
deal with. Read the messages from folks who Diamond lied to. Then ask yourself 
if that's the kind of company you want to send money to.
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jmayn...@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
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               get caught stealing, you're out!" -- Ed Shanks