Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!ames!ptsfa!ihnp4!ucbvax!SIMTEL20.ARPA!W8SDZ From: W8...@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm Subject: Copyright status of ARC, LZW, and COMPRESS programs questioned Message-ID: <KPETERSEN.12301039127.BABYL@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Date: Sat, 9-May-87 13:46:00 EDT Article-I.D.: SIMTEL20.KPETERSEN.12301039127.BABYL Posted: Sat May 9 13:46:00 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 10-May-87 05:44:07 EDT Sender: dae...@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 32 After announcing the availability of a recent update of SEA's ARC program, I received the following message which raises serious doubts as to the validity of the copyrights of SEA, Phil Katz, and Vernon Berg's ARC programs and well as other LZW-type compression programs and the status of the popular Unix "compress" program. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8...@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie Mail: W8SDZ --forwarded message-- To: Keith Petersen <W8...@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Re: Message for the authors of ARC I don't know how to get in touch with the authors of ARC (I didn't see any addresses in INFO-IBMPC), but since you seem to be posting information about new versions, etc., I thought that you might be able to forward the following mail to them. 1) The correct spelling of the name is Ziv. So you should call it Lempel-Ziv (or Ziv-Lempel because that was the order of the author's names in the original paper) encoding. 2) The original Ziv-Lempel method is patented (#4,464,650 -- Willard Eastman, Abraham Lempel, Jacob Ziv, Martin Cohen) assigned to Sperry Univac (now Unisys). Since the Welch modifications are to this method, I would think that some sort of license agreement from Unisys would be necessary (this is really only a practical problem for commercial customers). Does such an agreement exist? --end forwarded message--
Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!sri-spam!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!aurora.UUCP!jaw From: j...@aurora.UUCP ("James A. Woods") Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm Subject: Copyright status of ARC, LZW, and COMPRESS programs questioned Message-ID: <KPETERSEN.12302199905.BABYL@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Date: Mon, 11-May-87 23:56:00 EDT Article-I.D.: SIMTEL20.KPETERSEN.12302199905.BABYL Posted: Mon May 11 23:56:00 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 16-May-87 07:48:46 EDT Sender: dae...@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 71 # "Don't compress that dwarf -- hand me the pliers!" -- after Firesign Theatre > 2) The original Ziv-Lempel method is patented (#4,464,650 -- Willard > Eastman, Abraham Lempel, Jacob Ziv, Martin Cohen) assigned to Sperry > Univac (now Unisys). Since the Welch modifications are to this > method, I would think that some sort of license agreement from Unisys > would be necessary (this is really only a practical problem for > commercial customers). Does such an agreement exist? > Professor Lempel once telephoned me to praise the existence of a public domain implementation of the LZ algorithm. Though I can take credit only for the encoder hashing method currently used in 'compress', as well as its "block-adaptive" table reset strategy (we remain indebted to Spencer Thomas of the Univ. of Utah who gave USENET the basic framework), I'll repeat here a comment relayed to me after a Lempel lecture at HP Labs. The story goes like this: apparently the Welch paper came to the light of day only after Sperry Research Labs was disbanded, this occurring long before the Burroughs acquisition. Supposedly, discoveries revert to the general public when a lab ceases to exist. Note this is *not* the same as the situation engendered by the recent asset transfer from GE to SRI of the RCA David Sarnoff Labs. In any event, the Welch implementation (Computer, vol. 17, #6, 1984) only claimed that the presented "hardware" string table creation and access method was "Sperry proprietary". Details of any software-based code/index storage scheme in existence at Sperry were deliberately left fuzzy in the paper. Since patents cover only "apparatus", no one is making claims for any of the algorithmic variants of LZ, of which there are many (see below). As for the copyright status of 'compress', Thomas and I (who both work at public institutions) have signed (meaningless?) waivers not only to UCB for the 4.3 distribution, but to Hewlett Packard for inclusion in their own Unix release. The latter is most ironic, since HP retained Lempel as a consultant for a year on sabbatical leave from Technion in Israel, where he was chairman of the computer science department. ARC is another matter, of which I know little. It is fine by me if someone sells a value-added 'compress' (you'd pay for the packaging and "support"). Other companies sell the Unix LZ as part of a product (the Talaris 'troff' software includes compressed fonts this way). Now I hear that Dan Robinson of Telebit (our friendly neighborhood 18 kbps modem supplier) has valiantly jammed compression into the modem ROM, adding a few tricks of his own, no doubt. Speaking again only for myself, it doesn't matter even if raw unadorned 'compress' were sold for a megabuck -- word would get around very quickly that it's available free from other sources. LZ algorithms are not the be-all-end-all of data compression techniques. They don't particularly work well (unmodified), for digital sound processing or color picture reduction, for example. Many variants employ equally many time-space tradeoffs, with software implementations using data structures ranging from binary trees, to "trie forests", to hash coding, to a direct sparse array access exercise (for multi-megabyte machines) I posted to USENET back in 1984/5. Software work continuing at the Univ. of Calgary should be mentioned, where Tim Bell claims a 5-10% rate improvement (for ASCII-only input, alas), and unfortunately using an encoder which runs a hefty order-of-magnitude slower, limiting application. (See his IEEE Trans. Comm. paper of Dec. 1986, which oddly sidesteps direct comparisons with 'compress'). Also, many ad hoc and not-so-ad hoc methods have been offered to squeeze data, including the very involved Markov schemes of Cleary and Witten, and the nouveau self-adaptive splay-tree amortization algorithms of Bentley and Tarjan. I could go on, but close by indicating that though optimal data compression in general is unsolvable in the Turing sense, and though many problem subclasses are NP-complete, the beautifully simple, linear, and general method of Ziv and Lempel is hard to improve upon, and certainly affords many approaches not subject to legal intervention. -- James A. Woods (ames!jaw)