Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net! europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: dle...@MCS.COM (Daniel Leeds) Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: *BSD ILLEGAL??? Date: 14 Apr 1994 14:57:17 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Subscriber Account, Chicago's First Public-Access Internet! Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2ok76t$h81@Mercury.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 (KSD)] Some weird chap just sent me email in answer to a question I had about NetBSD and FreeBSD...he claims that netBSD and FreeBSD are now illegal and I will get sued 100,000 dollars if I use it. Then he calls BSDI a *cheap* alternative.... Is this man smoking crack before he reads news...does anybody have any idea as to why this freak whould tell me they are ILLEGAL to use. If thats true, a bunch of ftp sites will be going bye bye... Dan
Path: gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic! EU.net!ieunet!news.ieunet.ie!jkh From: j...@whisker.hubbard.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL??? Date: 16 Apr 1994 20:59:45 GMT Organization: Jordan Hubbard Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <JKH.94Apr16215846@whisker.hubbard.ie> References: <2ok76t$h81@Mercury.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: whisker.hubbard.ie In-reply-to: dleeds@MCS.COM's message of 14 Apr 1994 14:57:17 -0500 In article <2ok76t$...@Mercury.mcs.com> dle...@MCS.COM (Daniel Leeds) writes: Some weird chap just sent me email in answer to a question I had about NetBSD and FreeBSD...he claims that netBSD and FreeBSD are now illegal and I will get sued 100,000 dollars if I use it. He's on some strange drug, and if you find out what it is, please get him to send me some! :-) Is this man smoking crack before he reads news...does anybody have any idea as to why this freak whould tell me they are ILLEGAL to use. They're not illegal to use. For awhile, the legality of doing _further distributions_ of some of them was a bit up in the air, but for FreeBSD, at least, this has now been resolved (can't speak for the others since I don't know what they're doing vis-a-vis talking with USL legal, as I have). At no time was USL going after users of the system, much less contemplating suing them for any amount of money. Jordan -- Jordan K. Hubbard FreeBSD core team Raving lunatic
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Path: gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!newsserver.jvnc.net!yale.edu!yale!zip.eecs.umich.edu! panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com! hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!hppad.waterloo.hp.com!alex From: a...@waterloo.hp.com (Alex Dumitru) Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL??? Sender: n...@waterloo.hp.com (NetNews) Message-ID: <CoGp7p.3IM@waterloo.hp.com> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 15:47:47 GMT References: <2ok76t$h81@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Apr16.225327.13287@belvedere.sbay.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: hppadbb.waterloo.hp.com Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 14 David E. Fox (r...@belvedere.sbay.org) wrote: : Daniel Leeds (dle...@MCS.COM) wrote: : : Some weird chap just sent me email in answer to a question I had about : : NetBSD and FreeBSD...he claims that netBSD and FreeBSD are now illegal : : and I will get sued 100,000 dollars if I use it. : Call his bluff. Say "I'm not going to switch, so go ahead and sue me... While I don't think it's *illegal* to have it or use it, I wonder what the policy is for those of us that have source trees that incorporate the Net/2 distribution, and allow others to browse them and/or download stuff. cheers alex
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Path: gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uknet!festival!edcogsci!richard From: rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL??? Message-ID: <CoGt7A.I2J@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Organization: HCRC, University of Edinburgh References: <2ok76t$h81@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Apr16.225327.13287@belvedere.sbay.org> <CoGp7p.3IM@waterloo.hp.com> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 17:13:56 GMT Lines: 25 In article <CoGp7p....@waterloo.hp.com> a...@waterloo.hp.com (Alex Dumitru) writes: >While I don't think it's *illegal* to have it or use it, I wonder what the >policy is for those of us that have source trees that incorporate the >Net/2 distribution, and allow others to browse them and/or download stuff. The only reason to worry is if you think that USL might sue you. There's no reason to suppose that they would, nor that they'd win if they did. On the other hand, you probably couldn't afford to fight the case. The settlement with UCB and BSDI *does not* mean that Net/2 is in any way subject to any restrictions by USL. It merely means that UCB and BSDI have agreed not to distribute it, in return for USL accepting the free-ness of 99% of Net/2, which will be released as 4.4-Lite. The legal situation for everyone not party to the lawsuit is completely unchanged. Where possible, it will probably make sense to replace any publically available copies of Net/2 with 4.4-Lite when it becomes available. -- Richard -- Richard Tobin, HCRC, Edinburgh University R.To...@ed.ac.uk "Your monkey has got it right, sir." - HHGTTG
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Path: gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!agate! howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu! netcom.com!hasty From: ha...@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL??? Message-ID: <hastyCoGwJt.LrL@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <2ok76t$h81@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Apr16.225327.13287@belvedere.sbay.org> <CoGp7p.3IM@waterloo.hp.com> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 18:26:16 GMT Lines: 30 In article <CoGp7p....@waterloo.hp.com> a...@waterloo.hp.com (Alex Dumitru) writes: >David E. Fox (r...@belvedere.sbay.org) wrote: >: Daniel Leeds (dle...@MCS.COM) wrote: > >: : Some weird chap just sent me email in answer to a question I had about >: : NetBSD and FreeBSD...he claims that netBSD and FreeBSD are now illegal >: : and I will get sued 100,000 dollars if I use it. >: Call his bluff. Say "I'm not going to switch, so go ahead and sue me... > >While I don't think it's *illegal* to have it or use it, I wonder what the >policy is for those of us that have source trees that incorporate the >Net/2 distribution, and allow others to browse them and/or download stuff. > Interesting, I think that USL or UCB should make a public statement about thi;specially, if net2 is still accesible on the net. It sounds to me like a scam -- if portions of the net2 are not the property of UCB then why are they still available. Is not like they have to dig through tons of code to extract the files belonging to Novell... I find this all very odd. Amancio -- FREE unix, gcc, tcp/ip, X, open-look, interviews, tcl/tk, MIME, midi, sound at freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD Amancio Hasty, Consultant | Home: (415) 495-3046 | e-mail ha...@netcom.com | ftp-site depository of all my work: aha...@cisco.com | sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/X
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Path: gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu! ctc.com!news.mic.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!reuter.cse.ogi.edu! netnews.nwnet.net!ns1.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!tinguely From: tingu...@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL??? Sender: use...@ns1.nodak.edu Message-ID: <CoIK1G.zvC@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 15:51:16 GMT References: <1994Apr16.225327.13287@belvedere.sbay.org> <CoGp7p.3IM@waterloo.hp.com> <hastyCoGwJt.LrL@netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Organization: North Dakota State University Lines: 24 In article <hastyCoGwJt....@netcom.com> ha...@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes: > >Interesting, I think that USL or UCB should make a public statement >about thi;specially, if net2 is still accesible on the net. > yesterday I recieved the licence agrrement forms for BSD 4.4-lite. Include is a four page statement (double spaced)labeled simply: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE. The letter breifly describes the history, conflict and resolution of the dispute. It states that neither side admits the claims of the other... On page three, it says: " The settlement restricts further use of distribution of certain files in the Second Networking Release and requires that certain files in the 4.4 BSD-lite include a USL copyright notice. In addition to providing several enhancements, the new 4.4 BSD-Lite Release will replace most of the restricted files and incorporates all the agreed-upon modifications and notices. Thus, 4.4 BSD-Lite will not require a license from nor payments of royalities to USL. The University strongly recommends that 4.4 BSD-Lite be substituted for Net2. I am sure the full notice is available some electronically for those that want to read the release. --mark.
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Path: gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com! hookup!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu! news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!hasty From: ha...@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL??? Message-ID: <hastyCoJ4nr.Fzn@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <CoGp7p.3IM@waterloo.hp.com> <hastyCoGwJt.LrL@netcom.com> <CoIK1G.zvC@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 23:16:38 GMT Lines: 27 In article <CoIK1G....@ns1.nodak.edu> tingu...@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely) writes: >In article <hastyCoGwJt....@netcom.com> ha...@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes: > > yesterday I recieved the licence agrrement forms for BSD 4.4-lite. Include > is a four page statement (double spaced)labeled simply: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE. Great! With the FreeBSD Gamma release and the legalities almost sort it out we now have to hone are marketing skills to push FreeBSD around. The more people use FreeBSD and contribute the better off we will be. Simple things, like when using vat specify your OS, when you post state your favorite OS, articles to key magazines or underground Newspapers such as Computer Currents or Microtimes will help our cause a lot :) the X-journal way crying about the high cost of unix systems and software ... Once while I was talking to a WindBloat-NT expert, when I mentioned that we were running X on 8MB he was shocked :) Enjoy, Amancio -- FREE unix, gcc, tcp/ip, X, open-look, interviews, tcl/tk, MIME, midi, sound at freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD Amancio Hasty, Consultant | Home: (415) 495-3046 | e-mail ha...@netcom.com | ftp-site depository of all my work: aha...@cisco.com | sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/X
Path: gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com! panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!yale!yale.edu!noc.near.net! ipswitch!ddlgw!ddl From: d...@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL??? Message-ID: <304@ddlgw.UUCP> Date: 21 Apr 94 02:53:48 GMT References: <1994Apr16.225327.13287@belvedere.sbay.org> <CoIK1G.zvC@ns1.nodak.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 15 In article <CoIK1G....@ns1.nodak.edu>, tingu...@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely) writes: | yesterday I recieved the licence agrrement forms for BSD 4.4-lite. Include | is a four page statement (double spaced)labeled simply: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE. | The letter breifly describes the history, conflict and resolution of the | dispute. It states that neither side admits the claims of the other... | | On page three, it says: " The settlement restricts further use of distribution | of certain files in the Second Networking Release and requires that certain | files in the 4.4 BSD-lite include a USL copyright notice. Is a list of the restricted files from NET/2 publicly available? Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.*
Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Path: gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo! harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!sserve!sparcserve.cs.adfa.oz.au! wkt From: w...@sparcserve.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) Subject: `Missing' Net/2 Files Message-ID: <1994Apr28.004023.4308@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> Sender: n...@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy References: <1994Apr16.225327.13287@belvedere.sbay.org> <CoIK1G.zvC@ns1.nodak.edu> <304@ddlgw.UUCP> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 00:40:23 GMT Lines: 32 In article <3...@ddlgw.UUCP>, d...@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes: |> Is a list of the restricted files from NET/2 publicly available? From what I can glean, the list is below. Email me if this is inaccurate. Warren Files that can no longer be distributed from net/2 /sys/kern/init_main.c /sys/kern/kern_clock.c /sys/kern/kern_exit.c /sys/kern/kern_sig.c /sys/kern/kern_synch.c /sys/kern/sys_generic.c /sys/kern/sys_process.c /sys/kern/tty.c /sys/kern/tty_compat.c /sys/kern/tty_conf.c /sys/kern/tty_tty.c /sys/ufs/ufs_bmap.c /sys/ufs/ufs_disksubr.c /sys/ufs/ufs_inode.c /sys/ufs/ufs_vnops.c /sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c and the cpio source. --- `` ... nor do I regularly post multi-kilobyte screeds about driver software I can't release because aliens haven't used the radio receivers in my head to give me permission yet.'' -- John F. Woods