Path: sparky!uunet!hoptoad!gnu From: g...@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi Subject: Re: Educational Unix licenses, derived works, and employability Message-ID: <34596@hoptoad.uucp> Date: 31 Aug 92 08:47:02 GMT References: <Bt5CJK.I2H@cstest.cs.vt.edu: <KANDALL.92Aug26171753@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> Organization: Cygnus Support, Palo Alto Lines: 71 Universities cannot do proprietary research using the Unix operating system unless they buy a commercial Unix license for all machines involved. It need not be a source license. The educational license is a great tradeoff. I wish I knew the person who wrote it, to congratulate them. The deal is that you get all this great software, in source, for a pittance -- if and only if you make everything you do with it, available to the world. It tends to select for people who really *do* educate and publish research; such people like widespread distribution, while most business folks want to limit distribution. There is a requirement that you not distribute the *licensed software programs* beyond licensees. But it has been clear for years that it was OK to distribute "diffs" of your changes to licensed software programs to everyone. This has been the standard way of posting bug-fixes from the earliest days of the Usenet. In other words, *your changes* were not derived works. Your changes *combined with AT&T's programs* were a derived work, which could not be revealed. This is an important distinction. Let's say that the bug you fixed was from some program using a bogus routine to determine the current directory, which overflowed a fixed-size buffer if you were sufficiently deep in the file system. Your fix is to write a new getcwd() routine that malloc's its result, and to make two one-line changes to fix the callers. Your new getcwd is not derived from the AT&T program; it's original with you. The changes needed to fit it into the callers are not copyrightable (you can't copyright a 5- or 10-word phrase -- though you can trademark one). You have no derived code in your bug fix. But clearly if you were to *apply* the fix and distribute the resulting program, the resulting program would be copyrightable and based on the original program. Therefore the original owner would have some right to control your distribution (by trade secret, copyright, or whatever). If your contribution was substantial (the new getcwd was more than a few lines), the resulting program would also be a derived work of your contribution, and you too could limit its distribution. This has been the computer community's understanding of copyright law for years now. AT&T has a new theory in their amended suit though -- which goes something like "If you have ever seen our code, you can never write a product that competes with us, unless you pay us royalties." This is more along the lines of employer/employee relations theory, like if I designed disk drives for IBM for years, can I quit and form a startup designing disk drives? There is a lot of case law around this and while there is some murk here and there, it comes down to the difference between portable skills that you developed in working for them, versus secret information that you had access to. The employer can't prevent you from using skills that you happened to develop while working for them. Similarly, AT&T can't prevent you from using programming skills that you developed while working on AT&T Unix code. If you learned how disk drives work, you can go out and design your own (avoiding any patented technology and any trade-secrets of your ex-employer). If you learned how file systems work, you can go out and design your own (ditto). And if you find a book in a bookstore that contains an alleged "trade secret", it ain't secret any more, and you are free to use it. USL's demand that BSDI never hire anyone who has ever seen Unix source code (demand 1 (d)) is a blatant attempt to circumvent this case law. I doubt it will survive, and USL should be censured for even trying. I don't blame a lawyer for thinking up nasty dirty tricks like this -- lawyering is like security testing, you have to think about all the possible holes and attacks. I blame the guy who the lawyer works for, for actually deploying those tricks against his neighbors. -- John Gilmore {sun,uunet,pyramid}!hoptoad!gnu g...@toad.com g...@cygnus.com "It isn't given to us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal."