From: "Jon 'maddog' Hall, USG Senior Leader" <hall zk3 dec com>
To: axp-list redhat com
Cc: hall zk3 dec com
Subject: DU Libraries and such
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 16:59:18 -0400
Folks,
I was thinking (always a dangerous thing to have happen), and I wondered
what would happen if someone took the Linux libraries over to Digital Unix
and compiled them with the DEC C compiler, to generate Linux libraries with
ECOFF file format.
Then, if you took the ECOFF libraries that you built that way from Linux
sources, and statically linked the code of your application (also compiled
with DEC C), that should run back on Alpha Linux, and (perhaps) give better
performance than GNU "C" could.
Has anyone tried this?
md
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From: Rui-Tao Dong ~{6-HpLN~} <rdong internetMCI com>
To: axp-list redhat com
Subject: Re: DU Libraries and such
Date: 15 Aug 1998 01:30:02 +0000
I heard from another list (unix@home) that Sun gave away Solaris
license for non-commercial use. Any chance that this may happen to DU
any time soon?
Regards,
Rui-Tao Dong ~{6-HpLN~} <rdong@internetMCI.com>, Mission Viejo, California
From: Nils Faerber <Nils Faerber unix-ag org>
To: axp-list redhat com
Subject: Re: DU Libraries and such
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:31:55 +0200 (DFT)
Hello!
> I heard from another list (unix@home) that Sun gave away Solaris
> license for non-commercial use. Any chance that this may happen to DU
> any time soon?
Nice idea. But I wonder what I would install then? DU or Linux? I like Linux
much more than DU but DU is faster ... hard decision ;)
> Rui-Tao Dong ~{6-HpLN~} <rdong@internetMCI.com>, Mission Viejo, California
CU
nils
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From: Alex Pilosov <apilos01 utopia poly edu>
To: Nils Faerber <Nils Faerber unix-ag org>
Cc: axp-list redhat com
Subject: Re: DU Libraries and such
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:04:01 -0400 (EDT)
Unlikely. Because, as someone (maddog?) said, all unix vendors except Sun
have to pay per-unit royalty to SCO, no matter if unit was given free.
So, if DEC were to distribute "free" cds, they'd be at a loss.
On Sat, 15 Aug 1998, Nils Faerber wrote:
> Hello!
> > I heard from another list (unix@home) that Sun gave away Solaris
> > license for non-commercial use. Any chance that this may happen to DU
> > any time soon?
> Nice idea. But I wonder what I would install then? DU or Linux? I like Linux
> much more than DU but DU is faster ... hard decision ;)
>
> > Rui-Tao Dong ~{6-HpLN~} <rdong@internetMCI.com>, Mission Viejo, California
> CU
> nils
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From: Jeff DeMaagd <jdemaa17 calvin edu>
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Subject: Re: DU Libraries and such
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:05:34 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Alex Pilosov wrote:
> Unlikely. Because, as someone (maddog?) said, all unix vendors except Sun
> have to pay per-unit royalty to SCO, no matter if unit was given free.
> So, if DEC were to distribute "free" cds, they'd be at a loss.
What does SCO have that the other unices need? Sounds like when SCO had
to pay MS licence fees on xenix code that was no longer used.
I'd like to have DU but the SCSI and video I was buying was
unsupported and I don't have any free space for it, and I'm still a bit
novice-ish in the ways of Unix to do multiple flavors.
> > > I heard from another list (unix@home) that Sun gave away Solaris
> > > license for non-commercial use. Any chance that this may happen to DU
> > > any time soon?
> > Nice idea. But I wonder what I would install then? DU or Linux? I like Linux
> > much more than DU but DU is faster ... hard decision ;)
Jeff
From: Maurice Hilarius < maurice harddata com>
To: axp-list redhat com
Subject: Re: DU Libraries and such
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:51:27 -0600
With regards to your message at 12:05 AM 08-15-98 -0400, Jeff DeMaagd.
Where you stated:
>On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Alex Pilosov wrote:
>
>> Unlikely. Because, as someone (maddog?) said, all unix vendors except Sun
>> have to pay per-unit royalty to SCO, no matter if unit was given free.
>> So, if DEC were to distribute "free" cds, they'd be at a loss.
>
>What does SCO have that the other unices need? Sounds like when SCO had
>to pay MS licence fees on xenix code that was no longer used.
SCO bought the AT&T UNIX brand rights.
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From: Ken Hansen <khansen njcc com>
To: axp-list redhat com
Subject: Re: DU Libraries and such
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:40:23 -0400
Minor nit to pick: SCO bought Unix (the product) and the group that did
the development of Unix from AT&T - so they not only got all the
existing
Unix versions out there, they have a lock on all future versions that
are *true* Unix...
They OWN Unix.
Sorry, just wanted to clarify a bit,
Ken
khansen@njcc.com
Maurice Hilarius wrote:
>
> With regards to your message at 12:05 AM 08-15-98 -0400, Jeff DeMaagd.
> Where you stated:
> >On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Alex Pilosov wrote:
> >
> >> Unlikely. Because, as someone (maddog?) said, all unix vendors except Sun
> >> have to pay per-unit royalty to SCO, no matter if unit was given free.
> >> So, if DEC were to distribute "free" cds, they'd be at a loss.
> >
> >What does SCO have that the other unices need? Sounds like when SCO had
> >to pay MS licence fees on xenix code that was no longer used.
>
> SCO bought the AT&T UNIX brand rights.
>
> Cheers,
>
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From: Maurice Hilarius <maurice harddata com>
To: axp-list redhat com
Subject: Re: DU Libraries and such
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:01:34 -0600
With regards to your message at 11:40 AM 08-14-98 -0400, Ken Hansen. Where
you stated:
>Minor nit to pick: SCO bought Unix (the product) and the group that did
>the development of Unix from AT&T - so they not only got all the
>existing
>Unix versions out there, they have a lock on all future versions that
>are *true* Unix...
>
>They OWN Unix.
>
>Sorry, just wanted to clarify a bit,
More clarifying:
They OWN AT&T based UNIX.
Sun OWNS it's own version of BSD UNIX, and there are others.
So SCO does NOT own all UNIX.
Now that Sun has changed from SUNOS to Solaris, they now pay some
allegiance to SCO as well, but from what I understand is that when they
made this choice, they obtained a "one-time" fee charge on the rights, and
will pay no further royalties to the AT&T licensing owner.
Cheers,
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From: "Jon 'maddog' Hall, USG Senior Leader" <hall zk3 dec com>
To: axp-list redhat com
Cc: hall zk3 dec com
Subject: Re: DU Libraries and such [Even More Clarification]
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 13:03:30 -0400
Ken said:
> Minor nit to pick: SCO bought Unix (the product) and the group that
> did the development of Unix from AT&T - so they not only got all the
> existing Unix versions out there, they have a lock on all future
> versions that are *true* Unix...
Maurice said:
> More clarifying:
> They OWN AT&T based UNIX. Sun OWNS it's own version of BSD UNIX, and
> there are others. So SCO does NOT own all UNIX.
> Now that Sun has changed from SUNOS to Solaris, they now pay some
> allegiance to SCO as well, but from what I understand is that when
> they made this choice, they obtained a "one-time" fee charge on the
> rights, and will pay no further royalties to the AT&T licensing
> owner.
SCO does not own any of "UNIX". SCO owns the royalty stream on copyrighted
code that came from AT&T, later USL, and still later Novell. SCO may also own
some patent rights on various things inside that code. SCO can call their
product "SCO Unix" either because they pass the test suites of X/Open, or
(perhaps) because they may have been grandfathered in when they bought the
"AT&T" code stream.
X/Open owns "UNIX", the trademark. They own the definition of Unix which is
the Single Unix System (nee Spec 1170) that was defined by a series of vendors
to be the true definition of the trademarked word "Unix". Unless it passes the
branding tests of X/Open and The Open Group, it is not "Unix". It may be
"Berkeley Software Definition VX.xx". It may be "FreeBSD(TM)". It may be
NetBSD(TM), or OpenBSD(TM). It may even be Linux(TM). But it is *not*
UNIX(R).
Therefore SCO does not have a "lock on all future versions that are true
Unix". All you have to do is pass the X/Open suites, and then you are just
as much "True Unix" as the next distribution (and maybe more than others
who claim to be "Unix").
And yes, Compaq can call their product "Digital Unix", because we have
passed the Branding requirements of X/Open, and continue to pass them as they
are expanded and upgraded.
Warmest regards,
Jon "maddog" Hall
*Lots of legal words about everybody's trademark belonging to them.
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