From digitech@mmadb.no Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:45:39 +0200 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:45:39 +0200 From: Jon Johansen digitech@mmadb.no Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released DeCSS is a css decryptor which works with 'the Matrix', something DoD's speed ripper doesn't. Works on Win98 and Win2k. Has not been tested on WinNT. http://mmadb.no/hwplus Enjoy ;) - Jon
From derek@spider.com Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:49:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:49:25 +0100 From: Derek Fawcus derek@spider.com Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 06:45:39AM +0200, Jon Johansen wrote: > DeCSS is a css decryptor which works with 'the Matrix', > something DoD's speed ripper doesn't. Regarding DeCSS: I've just read through the source to DeCSS, compare CSSauth.cpp to css-auth.c in my authentication package. The authors have taken it almost verbatim - all they did was remove my copyright header, one block comment, and rename the functions. I don't mind them using the code - it's out there, but they could have left my name on it. Interesting this - I only released that file under GPL! DF -- Derek Fawcus derek@spider.com Spider Software Ltd. +44 (0) 131 475 7034
From gromovd@yahoo.com Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 12:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Dmitry Gromov gromovd@yahoo.com Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released Sorry to bother you, but were did you got it's source? --- Derek Fawcus <derek@spider.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 06:45:39AM +0200, Jon > Johansen wrote: > > DeCSS is a css decryptor which works with 'the > Matrix', > > something DoD's speed ripper doesn't. > > Regarding DeCSS: > > I've just read through the source to DeCSS, > compare CSSauth.cpp to > css-auth.c in my authentication package. > > The authors have taken it almost verbatim - all > they did was remove > my copyright header, one block comment, and rename > the functions. > I don't mind them using the code - it's out there, > but they could have > left my name on it. > > Interesting this - I only released that file under > GPL! > > DF > -- > Derek Fawcus > derek@spider.com > Spider Software Ltd. > +44 (0) 131 475 7034 > > > _______________________________________________ > Livid-dev maillist - > Livid-dev@livid.on.openprojects.net > http://livid.on.openprojects.net/mailman/listinfo/livid-dev > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
From derek@spider.com Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:41:33 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:41:33 +0100 From: Derek Fawcus derek@spider.com Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 12:02:04PM -0700, Dmitry Gromov wrote: > Sorry to bother you, but were did you got it's source? A little birdy told me. DF -- Derek Fawcus derek@spider.com Spider Software Ltd. +44 (0) 131 475 7034
From kju@flummi.de Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:09:06 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:09:06 +0200 From: Michael Holzt kju@flummi.de Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 08:41:33PM +0100, Derek Fawcus wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 12:02:04PM -0700, Dmitry Gromov wrote: > > Sorry to bother you, but were did you got it's source? > A little birdy told me. Two things: Was the linux css source in the meanwhile released? I didn't saw any announce. And second: Why don't you just publish their source too? I'm interested in both, and as they use code which is under the GPL at least the source of this part of the program must be made available. This is one thing, i hate on all this cracker groups: They program some nice software or find something interesting out, but keep the infos or the source for themselfes. I think this is kiddie-shit helping nobody, and not very intelligent. They only take take take from the open source movements like in this case, but never give anything back. Shame on the DeCSS publishers!
From digitech@mmadb.no Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:21:53 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:21:53 +0200 From: Jon Johansen digitech@mmadb.no Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released > This is one thing, i hate on all this cracker groups: They program > some nice software or find something interesting out, but keep > the infos or the source for themselfes. I think this is kiddie-shit > helping nobody, and not very intelligent. They only take take take > from the open source movements like in this case, but never give > anything back. Shame on the DeCSS publishers! In case you didn't know, WE had already sent the css decryption source to our connection in the linux community. So why don't you just shut up? That means we have shared with the once who shared with us. You didn't get anything; shouldn't be too hard to figure out why.... - Jon http://mmadb.no/hwplus
From digitech@mmadb.no Fri, 8 Oct 1999 00:06:06 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 00:06:06 +0200 From: Jon Johansen digitech@mmadb.no Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Holzt" <kju@flummi.de> To: "Jon Johansen" <digitech@mmadb.no> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released > On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 11:36:03PM +0200, Jon Johansen wrote: > > We used the linux css-auth code, but we decided to give something back, > > and we did! So please don't come and talk to me about Open Source! >This code is under the GPL, not written by Derek and therefore not >under any special license, so in fact you are breaking the GPL and >copyright. He has put me on his filter list, so could someone please remail this to the mailinglist, and tell him to personally contact Derek Fawcus, because we have in fact been using HIS auth code, and we are using it under the license given by HIM to US. Thank you very much for your igorance, Michael Holzt. - Jon http://mmadb.no/hwplus
From kju@flummi.de Fri, 8 Oct 1999 00:49:10 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 00:49:10 +0200 From: Michael Holzt kju@flummi.de Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released On Fri, Oct 08, 1999 at 12:06:06AM +0200, Jon Johansen wrote: > He has put me on his filter list, so could someone please remail this > to the mailinglist, and tell him to personally contact Derek Fawcus, [...] This guy is driving me crazy. Please don't feed this troll with replies. He should not wonder that i'm ignoring him after the rude emails he sent to me. How would you handle a guy who tells you, that he hates linux and would be happy if Linus Torvalds had never invented it (because FreeBSD is better in every thing), but happily posts on this linux-only mailinglist, ignores the GPL (is shit) and talks about that he has given his elite source code to the "linux community" if in fact he has only given it to *one* specific person. This person does not have any clue about linux, gpl and open source movements and what he is talking about - and this is enough reason to filter him. His mails are only wasting my and your time. Btw: He told me, that he has given CSS code to Derek only under some special agreements. And he said: "We would never release the source to everyone. It has been released to Derek who knows how to handle it, and when to release which parts of it." Sorry, but after this i do not want to have this source anymore. I don't want to be a slave begging to this elite persons to give us the source or even only parts of it. And this probably means, that any released source would not be GPL. What a clear statement of arrogance! Anyone who would like to help me reverse-engineer CSS for a true GPL'd code made without the help of this clowns? Please mail me.
From crow@debian.org Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:58:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:58:15 -0500 From: Stephen Crowley crow@debian.org Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 08:21:53PM +0200, Jon Johansen wrote: > > This is one thing, i hate on all this cracker groups: They program > > some nice software or find something interesting out, but keep > > the infos or the source for themselfes. I think this is kiddie-shit > > helping nobody, and not very intelligent. They only take take take > > from the open source movements like in this case, but never give > > anything back. Shame on the DeCSS publishers! > > In case you didn't know, WE had already sent the css decryption source > to our connection in the linux community. So why don't you just shut up? > That means we have shared with the once who shared with us. You didn't > get anything; shouldn't be too hard to figure out why.... Well, that sounds good in theory.. but giving the code to one person isn't very useful unless he agrees to give it to the rest of the community. But, it's your code so you decide.. -- Stephen Crowley
From digitech@mmadb.no Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:43:43 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:43:43 +0200 From: Jon Johansen digitech@mmadb.no Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released > How would you handle a guy who tells you, that he hates linux and > would be happy if Linus Torvalds had never invented it (because > FreeBSD is better in every thing), but happily posts on this > linux-only mailinglist, ignores the GPL (is shit) and talks about that he has > given his elite source code to the "linux community" if in fact he has > only given it to *one* specific person. This person does not have > any clue about linux, gpl and open source movements and what he is > talking about - and this is enough reason to filter him. His mails are > only wasting my and your time. Well, the LIVID man wanted us to keep this off the mailinglist, but you seem to want to keep this public. That's all right with me. I never said I hated linux and I never said GPL was shit. I said about linux, yes, it would not have mattered to me if it had not been invented, because I believe FreeBSD is much better. Not in all aspects, but those which linux is being so hyped for. I have lots of knowledge about linux, gpl and open source movements, and I do know what I am talking about. > Btw: He told me, that he has given CSS code to Derek only under > some special agreements. And he said: "We would never release the > source to everyone. It has been released to Derek who knows how to > handle it, and when to release which parts of it." Yes, that is correct, _WE_ have given the source to Derek, but not under any special agreements. That's how you understood it, and that's wrong. He is free to do whatever he wants with it, and he has let me know that he will be releasing it has _HE_sees fit! > Sorry, but after this i do not want to have this source anymore. > I don't want to be a slave begging to this elite persons to give > us the source or even only parts of it. And this probably means, > that any released source would not be GPL. What a clear statement > of arrogance! Off we go again, I never said I was elite! That's your assumption, again! > Anyone who would like to help me reverse-engineer CSS for a true > GPL'd code made without the help of this clowns? Please mail me. Yeah, you better get someone to help you, because you obviously is a lazy man who doesn't want to do anything himself. Not strange why you love GPL so much, because then you can just take others code. And please, for GOD's SAKE, why don't you mail Derek about this? He will confirm that we have given him the code, and that he is free to do whatever he wants with it. JESUS CHRIST! That's ONE mail to get this all over with. Or are you afraid of the truth? That it will make you look stupid? Well, I think it already has. Have a continued nice evening everyone, and sorry for making you all have to read this, but Michael obviously wanted you to. - Jon Johansen http://mmadb.no/hwplus
From digitech@mmadb.no Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:47:06 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:47:06 +0200 From: Jon Johansen digitech@mmadb.no Subject: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released Well, it's really nice to finally meet a linux man on this list, which isn't as greedy as someone else on this list. I'm not suprised that you exist, because I know there are lots of linux people who are not greedy ;) Well, our code has been sent to Derek, and he will be releasing it in the near future (as _HE_ sees fit). I hope you don't mail him begging him for the code, because you will _ALL_ (even the greedy ones who don't deserve it) get it soon. - Jon http://mmadb.no/hwplus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Crowley" <crow@debian.org> To: "Jon Johansen" <digitech@mmadb.no> Cc: <livid-dev@livid.on.openprojects.net> Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released > On Thu, Oct 07, 1999 at 08:21:53PM +0200, Jon Johansen wrote: > > > This is one thing, i hate on all this cracker groups: They program > > > some nice software or find something interesting out, but keep > > > the infos or the source for themselfes. I think this is kiddie-shit > > > helping nobody, and not very intelligent. They only take take take > > > from the open source movements like in this case, but never give > > > anything back. Shame on the DeCSS publishers! > > > > In case you didn't know, WE had already sent the css decryption source > > to our connection in the linux community. So why don't you just shut up? > > That means we have shared with the once who shared with us. You didn't > > get anything; shouldn't be too hard to figure out why.... > > Well, that sounds good in theory.. but giving the code to one person isn't > very useful unless he agrees to give it to the rest of the community. But, > it's your code so you decide.. > > -- > Stephen Crowley > >
From digitech@mmadb.no Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:33:57 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:33:57 +0200 From: Jon Johansen digitech@mmadb.no Subject: [Livid-dev] I am sorry... I hereby apologize for my attitude in the posts I've sent to this mailing list. I know you've all waited a long time for this moment [when you'll be able to watch decrypted dvds], so I can understand that you want it right away. All I'm asking is for you to just wait a little bit longer, for Derek to release the source to you. That's all I'm asking, can't you just wait a little longer? Please note, though, that I am not apologizing for the way I've handled matters. I believe that we did the right thing when we passed on our source to Derek. Thank you very much for listening (reading ;) and I hope you can forgive my attitude, it will never happen again. It's just that when someone tell's me I'm not telling the truth, without even checking with Derek, well, I just got a little pissed off. And I might have overdone it a bit when I said I didn't care if linux would not have been invented. It's a great OS, but of course not in all ways, but that's how it is with all operating systems. And that FreeBSD is superior, well, I think FreeBSD is better, but superior might be taking it a bit too far :P Again, I am sorry. PS: If I could just get some hollywood plus drivers for linux, I would probably be setting up my own linux machine in the living room :P - Jon http://mmadb.no/hwplus
From digitech@mmadb.no Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:54:56 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:54:56 +0200 From: Jon Johansen digitech@mmadb.no Subject: [Livid-dev] I am sorry... Sorry, that was supposed to be [when you'll be able to watch _encrypted_ dvds] ;) - Jon http://mmadb.no/hwplus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Johansen" <digitech@mmadb.no> To: <livid-dev@livid.on.openprojects.net> Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 2:33 AM Subject: [Livid-dev] I am sorry... > I hereby apologize for my attitude in the posts I've sent to this mailing > list. > I know you've all waited a long time for this moment [when you'll be able > to watch decrypted dvds], so I can understand that you want it right away. > All I'm asking is for you to just wait a little bit longer, for Derek to > release > the source to you. That's all I'm asking, can't you just wait a little > longer? > > Please note, though, that I am not apologizing for the way I've handled > matters. > I believe that we did the right thing when we passed on our source to Derek. > > Thank you very much for listening (reading ;) and I hope you can forgive > my attitude, it will never happen again. It's just that when someone > tell's me I'm not telling the truth, without even checking with Derek, well, > I just got a little pissed off. > > And I might have overdone it a bit when I said I didn't care if linux would > not have been invented. It's a great OS, but of course not in all ways, > but that's how it is with all operating systems. And that FreeBSD is > superior, well, I think FreeBSD is better, but superior might be taking > it a bit too far :P > > Again, I am sorry. > > PS: If I could just get some hollywood plus drivers for linux, I would > probably be setting up my own linux machine in the living room :P > > - Jon > http://mmadb.no/hwplus > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Livid-dev maillist - Livid-dev@livid.on.openprojects.net > http://livid.on.openprojects.net/mailman/listinfo/livid-dev > >