Dave Jones

Jul 26, 2011

One for my Linux peoples.

Working on an update kernel for Fedora 15, rebasing from 2.6.38 to 3.0.
As we know a bunch of userspace packages need updating to deal with the 2.6 -> 3.x transition, we made a decision to ship 3.0, but call it 2.6.40 rather than ship a ton of updates, and risk breaking other code that we don't ship.

I look forward to the "OMG, RED HAT FORKS LINUX" posts on slashdot.

Linus Torvalds

Jul 26, 2011

While you are at it, could you also fork gnome, and support a gnome-2 environment?

I want my sane interfaces back. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is gnome-3.

Dave Jones

Jul 26, 2011

I hear it's quite popular with Gnome developers.

Cyrill Gorcunov

Jul 26, 2011

I simply switched to "Forced Fallback Mode", it renders like old gnome

Linus Torvalds

Jul 26, 2011

Cyrill Gorcunov: it's not that I have rendering problems with gnome3 (although I do have those too), it's that the user experience of Gnome3 even without rendering problems is unacceptable.

Why can't I have shortcuts on my desktop? Why can't I have the expose functionality? Wobbly windows? Why does anybody sane think that it's a good idea to have that "go to the crazy 'activities'" menu mode?

I used to be upset when gnome developers decided it was "too complicated" for the user to remap some mouse buttons. In gnome3, the developers have apparently decided that it's "too complicated" to actually do real work on your desktop, and have decided to make it really annoying to do.

Here's an example of "the crazy": you want a new terminal window. So you go to "activities" and press the "terminal" thing that you've made part of your normal desktop thing (but why can't I just have it on the desktop, instead of in that insane "activities" mode?). What happens? Nothing. It brings your existing terminal to the forefront.

That's just crazy crap. Now I need to use Shift-Control-N in an old terminal to bring up a new one. Yeah, that's a real user experience improvement. Sure.

I'm sure there are other ways, but that's just an example of the kind of "head up the arse" behavior of gnome3. Seriously. I have been asking other developers about gnome3, they all think it's crazy.

I'm using Xfce. I think it's a step down from gnome2, but it's a huge step up from gnome3. Really.

Cyrill Gorcunov

Jul 26, 2011

Well, gnome3 could be tuned up I guess, still I must admit I didn't manage to work with gnome3 "activities" and friends, and switched to "Forced Fallback Mode" which brings old gnome2 interface back (not completely but at least the desktop view), for the reference it's System Settings -> System Info -> Graphics -> Forced Fallback Mode.